Curse

Jessyi · Mar 31, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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For me, req 8 and 10 are the same because I always use 10/10/11 point distribution.

Whoa. "For me". What does THAT mean? /Sarcasm

I guess you're right. I included my opinion. My bad. Even without that line included, the rest is true. I've never seen a build used that was effective in either PvP or PvE that used very low attributes in WEAPONS - weapons used to cause damage...(ie. read: "swords, axes, hammers, bows"). I have seen low reqs in other skill lines used effectively, sure, but in weapon-centric builds I can't imagine they'd be much good when you...uh...haven't mastered your weapon.

-Jessyi

Inureface · Mar 31, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05

Retardability (if its even a word =p). There was a thread a while back that pointed out that with weapons like swords hammers bows etc, req shouldn't matter beyond 11 because you aren't going to do much damage with 8 axe mastery or whatever, alot of your damage comes from your attributes as well, so req is really not important unless its 12 or 13, which are a bit high. With foci, low req is understandable but with weapons, its pointless, just a money sink.

Former Ruling · Mar 31, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05

It has NOTHING to do with Flexibility of builds lol. Thats the poor excuse people try to tack on to make it seem so logical to new people.

Simple market concept. Lower Req. is harder to find (atleast on decent weapons) = Higher in price.

Same reason theres thousands of dollars gap between 19% longer enchants and 20% longer, even though rounding off makes them basically do the same thing.

pigdestroyer · Mar 31, 2006, 07:09 PM // 19:09

yup, low req on warrior weapons = not necessary

wolfblade1 · Mar 31, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

it is to do with flexibility, while stance tanking, i use 10 10 and 14 in tactics. i couldnt do that with a req12 sword i would have to lower one of the others to stop myself doing 1-2 dmg

pigdestroyer · Mar 31, 2006, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by wolfblade1

it is to do with flexibility, while stance tanking, i use 10 10 and 14 in tactics. i couldnt do that with a req12 sword i would have to lower one of the others to stop myself doing 1-2 dmg

when Im stance tanking 90% of the time I have something on my hands, and if Im not holding something at the moment I change my helmet for one with +1 +3 for the weapon desired

Str0b0 · Mar 31, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

The ability to use the weapon at a lower level. A lot of the people pimping these weapons can also afford to get run to Droks and get good armor form the outset of the game. Of course they will want a nifty weapon too but alas low level means few attribute points. So they look for max damage low requirement pimp weapons to swing about with reckless abandon.

wolfblade1 · Mar 31, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by pigdestroyer

when Im stance tanking 90% of the time I have something on my hands, and if Im not holding something at the moment I change my helmet for one with +1 +3 for the weapon desired

but before i get the item to hold i can have the req of my sword at the same time as not having -75 hp

M I D G E T S · Mar 31, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

I buy req 13s :P Pretty weird coming from a guy with fow armor <_<

Mandy Memory · Mar 31, 2006, 09:17 PM // 21:17

People buy them because they are morons with money (MwM for short)

Same reason people buy special skinned items, 15k armor, FoW armor, or gold items.

Lowly Peasant · Mar 31, 2006, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

People buy them because they are morons with money (MwM for short)

Same reason people buy special skinned items, 15k armor, FoW armor, or gold items.

What an enlightened view you have. I have many builds where I need as many points into my secondary profession as I can get. Having a low req weapon really helps me to do that w/o having to sacrifice too many points from other areas that I need more.

SilentAssassin · Mar 31, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

People buy them because they are morons with money (MwM for short)

Same reason people buy special skinned items, 15k armor, FoW armor, or gold items.

omg...

so if ppl like to spend money into 15k armours because you want to look nice, they are morons in your eyes ??

haha, laugh at 3:

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aB- · Mar 31, 2006, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

People buy them because they are morons with money (MwM for short)

Same reason people buy special skinned items, 15k armor, FoW armor, or gold items.

Where would you suggest people spend their money?

Don Zardeone · Mar 31, 2006, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by aB-

Where would you suggest people spend their money?

Charity

Some builds (like some farming builds) require you to have high stats in attributes like healing, tactis, strength etc... Weapons don't matter in some of those builds. Some people like to bring a weapon anyway but they won't have many points left to spend on their weapon attribute.
Sometimes they'll only be able to have an 8 or a 9 in their weapon so they'll need a req 8 or 9 weap to be able to do some "decent" damage.

What many seem to forget is that you can easily buy those weapons from the weapontraders in droks (req9).
They're ugly and only req9. After a while, some players get too rich and they'll need to spend their money on something. They'll spend it on cool looking things.
This means that someone will dish out millions for a req8 crystalline sword or whatever.

This isn't scamming in any way though. The rich people buy exotic stuff. This exotic stuff is similar to the normal stuff but it's just a bit more shiny.

You could compare it with a pen.
Example: Joey has a pen, he uses it to write letters.
Lord Blathazar has a pen too, it's a gold one with diamonds on it. He uses it to write letters.
The function is the exact same, the price is different.

So eh, it's just bling -_-

axe · Mar 31, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Its rarity, same reason why people pay tons for a crystaline, serpent, or dwarven with a crappy damage mod and dont customize it. They arent using these weapons in their builds they are just carrying them around as a status symbol.

At least with req 7 weapons you can switch att. points around and get better damage than a starter sword. But any junk weapon that is customized will probably pwn a req 7 weapon.

Dead Phlox · Mar 31, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51

15k armor doesn't even look that different...

quickmonty · Mar 31, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Dead Phlox

15k armor doesn't even look that different...

Maybe it's just me, but most of it does look different.

Kali Ma · Mar 31, 2006, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Having a low requirement allow the wielder to strike for max possible damage potential of the weapon with a lower stat point...

I used to think that as well, until I read the following article:
Game Mechanics - A Treatise on Combat Mathematics

According to this article, the only way one is going to hit within the damage range listed on any weapon is if one has the stat for that weapon set to 12. A player who uses a req 8 weapon and leaves the stat at 8 is going to hit with only 70.7% of what the weapon is capable of.

Cade · Mar 31, 2006, 11:07 PM // 23:07

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Originally Posted by Lampshade

Well others don't. Some people PvP, or don't use your setup.

I use a 11/12/12, using only runes that dont -HP.

But I still dont see the point of a low req if it still does 100% damage at level 12.

Cottage Pie · Apr 01, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

low req has two possible advantages in my eyes...

For a newb character you're making, you don't want to sup rune them, so a req 7/8 sword (where as game default for max is req 9) would be a good choice. For a level 20 warrior to have their weapon attribute at 7 is retarded however, literally. your attack skills will blow and you'll be dealing godawful damage. You will simply be a terrible warrior.

another advantage (now no longer) is that low req weapons had 100% effectiveness at stated req AND bonus damage per level above that, which WOULD have made them very valuable (I used to have a req 7 gladius when this was the case, pwnage)...this is no longer the case, and damage is dependant on weapon attrib (assuming you meet weapon req)

It's possible req 7 is useful for a secondary proffesion weilding, however the high price is NOT dicatated by this.

Unfortunately this mentality of low req = worth more is ingrained into players, when I showed my 20/19 healing rod to someone at their request, they said, meh, the req is too high. it's req 12 divine favour. I'm a monk. and the casting bonuses are not related to the req, the damage is. and i'm a monk so im not gonna be attacking (yeah, the HoD swords req is too high...). I explained all of this, but they had none of it.

Their is a reason to buy FoW armour (stylish looks), there is no benefit of using a weapon whose req is so low you'd never think about putting your attribs at that level.

It's just 'rarer'. And only you will know, which makes it pretty masterbatory, imho.